ARB: April 26th 2018
ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD
April 26, 2018
The Architectural Review Board met in regular session on Thurs, April 26, 2018 at 6:30 p.m. at the Mayfield Village Civic Center Main Conference Room. Chairman Parker presided.
Present: Mr. Ed Parker (Chairman), Mr. Steven Varelmann, and Dr. Jim Triner
Also Present: Mr. John Marrelli (Building Commissioner) and Ms. Deborah Garbo (Secretary)
Absent: Mr. Carmen Miozzi (Chairman Pro Tem)
CONSIDERATION OF MEETING MINUTES: April 12, 2018
Dr. Triner, seconded by Mr. Varelmann made a motion to approve the minutes of April 12, 2018.
Motion Carried. Minutes Approved as written.
- Detached Garage
6839 Meadowood Dr.
The CM Consulting Group, Inc.
- New Single Family Dwelling
Domin & Suzana Lovric
Richard A. Beck & Assoc. Ltd.
Polaris Engineering & Surveying, Inc.
Chairman Parker called the meeting to order. I’d like to start off my taking a moment of silence. One of our fellow members, Carmen Miozzi lost a Brother this week. Everyone took a moment of silence to think about the Miozzi family.
6839 Meadowood Dr.
Joe Calderwood with The CM Consulting Group introduced himself. What we have here is a new detached garage that’s going to be across from the existing garage. Colors and materials to match main house. The door faces opposite the existing garage door.
Mr. Marrelli asked if this is visible from the street, from the cul-de-sac.
Joe Calderwood replied, sort of. It’s set quite a ways back.
Mr. Marrelli asked about the existing red shed.
Joe Calderwood replied, that’s coming down.
Chairman Parker asked about the windows on the front above the garage door.
Joe Calderwood said, those will be actual barn doors with storage up above. It’s mostly going to be for storage. His current garage right now is jam packed.
Mr. Marrelli said, the blank side will be visible from the cul-de-sac. Will this be vinyl sided?
Joe Calderwood replied yes, to match the house.
Mr. Marrelli asked, he doesn’t want a window on this side?
Joe Calderwood replied no, he needs a full wall. He’s going to put a ski jet trailer & tractor in here.
Mr. Marrelli said, this is basically an oversized shed.
Joe Calderwood said, brick material to match the house. Everything will match whatever’s on the house. He initially wanted red like a barn, I said no.
Mr. Marrelli asked, only utility going in here is electric?
Joe Calderwood replied, just electric.
Mr. Varelmann said, your concrete slab doesn’t show any control joints.
Joe Calderwood replied, I have it in my notes.
Mr. Varelmann said, it shows garage concrete slab to be 4” thick reinforced, over compacted premium fill and sloped to exterior.
Joe Calderwood said, I missed that, I’ll add the control joints to my notes.
Chairman Parker notes, it’s going to be pretty tight for a car.
Joe Calderwood replied, it’ll be for a trailer and tractor. Everything that’s in his current garage he’s going to move out here so he could pull the cars into the existing garage.
Chairman Parker asked, any other questions or comments?
There were none.
Mr. Varelmann, seconded by Dr. Triner made a motion to approve the Detached Garage for Allen Delly at 6839 Meadowood Dr. as proposed.
Ayes: Mr. Parker, Mr. Varelmann, Dr. Triner
Motion Carried. Drawings Approved.
Domin & Suzana Lovric
729 SOM Ctr. Rd.
New Single Family Dwelling
Chairman Parker moved to the second proposal, 729 SOM Ctr. Rd, asking representatives to please introduce themselves.
Richard Beck, Architect with Richard A. Beck & Associates introduced himself.
John Kohr, Design Engineer with Polaris Engineering introduced himself.
Mr. Marrelli asked for the record, have you talked to Tom Cappello today?
John Kohr replied, I have not, Dusty may have.
Mr. Marrelli said, I talked to our Engineer late this afternoon and he said this site plan is not fully approved yet, there’s a couple more changes, something about the water line being split and some grades he wanted to have readjusted, like a swale on I think the south side.
Chairman Parker asked, I would think any of the changes would not be significant to the actual residence?
Mr. Marrelli replied, they shouldn’t be, no.
Chairman Parker said, if we can get through everything, we would be able to make a motion for approval as long as those grades don’t change. Then that would all be handled through Engineering.
Mr. Marrelli replied, that’s correct, for the record.
- Site Plan
John Kohr said, the biggest change was lowering the house. Your biggest concern from the last meeting was the grades between the existing home here which is the lowest grades on the house. This has been lowered now so the finished grades around the house are 18 inches above. Actually, when you look down across the driveway, we’re basically matching the existing neighbor house driveway, we’re grade to grade with them. By lowering that grade, we eliminate that wall in the back of the driveway. Those were the biggest concerns. The setback has been moved forward, we’re now at 76.27 feet to the front now.
Chairman Parker said, the existing house directly south of that is a little bit to the east and the next one looks like it’s further to the west.
John Kohr replied, yes. We’re at 76’ off the right-of-way. I believe the 90’ setback would probably be from the center line of the road.
Mr. Marrelli notes, the road has changed, it’s wider now. When you go into the setbacks, it refers to the old right-of-way. Again, that goes to our Engineer. It’s also in line with the house two doors away.
Chairman Parker asked, what’s the house to the north?
Mr. Marrelli replied, a blank lot. The one next door is empty, then there’s a corner house on Thornapple.
Dr. Triner said, the next three houses south are all aligned.
Mr. Marrelli said, there’s just one odd one in the back, that little house on the bottom there is way deep in the lot for some reason. I don’t know why they built it back there, they didn’t have to go back that far.
Chairman Parker said, being that the front is garage, I like this back a little bit.
Mr. Varelmann said, on this street, a state highway like this, I don’t care if they’re aligned, I think the in & out alignment reinforces the character of it.
Mr. Marrelli said, they only have to be 60’ back from the street line because it’s a main street.
Chairman Parker said, as far as what the changes were to the grades and elevation floor, it seems significant.
Mr. Varelmann said, they took the suggestion to lower the garage, so now this all flows together. They were able to eliminate the wall all along this area here. The house itself went down so I think there’s only three steps now in the back going down to the patio. This is I think where we saw a big change from last time.
Chairman Parker added, and it took care of the patio and the balcony that was in the middle of nowhere.
- Elevation Drawings
Richard Beck said, I put these dimensions here to show from floor down to the grade. They now match on the site plan. I went all the way around all four elevations. That was all adjusted. We took care of these horizontal lines here by the Dryvit, we took all that out. We just went around the windows now. Those windows mimic the ones on the house on the corner. I was there today taking some photographs to show you. You can see the trim work on here and how it’s going to match the windows that we have here, here & here. The back side I’m not concerned about, no one will ever see it. Also, we added Quoins on the front here.
Mr. Varelmann asked, was this area always brick on the garage part?
Richard Beck replied, yes.
Mr. Varelmann asked, would you consider control joints on these long lengths of Eifs?
Richard Beck replied, not at this time. I know from past experience, that’ll be left up to the contractors in the field. They’ll put those in during time of construction based on the manufacturer’s specifications.
Chairman Parker said, it’s fairly little thought to put a line on there that lines with the jam of a window, jam of a door. A lot of times your windows are somewhat uniformly spaced and it actually just becomes a part of the detail of the window.
Richard Beck said, if you want, when they select a contractor, I’ll work with him and give you some drawings on that if that helps you. I can submit those to John.
Mr. Marrelli said, that’ll be good to have the control joints called out.
- Materials & Cost
Dr. Triner said, one question since you’re using the Dryvit, you should check with your insurance company to make sure the house is insurable or not. A lot of places like All State and State Farm aren’t insuring Dryvit houses, you need a special insurance because it’s considered a commercial building product.
Richard Beck replied, I didn’t know that at all.
Dr. Triner said, also around the windows, if you’re using Dryvit, they really recommend going with the fittings around those openings to seal them off. There’s a house in Gates Mills that did Dryvit on the whole outside of the house and they had to pull it all off.
Mr. Marrelli asked, because the water got behind it?
Dr. Triner replied, yes.
Mr. Marrelli said, that stuff, if it’s not sealed totally, you’ll have a big problem.
Richard Beck states, that’s good to know, those comments are much appreciated.
Richard Beck said, these grade elevations have all been worked out now so that these plans coincide with the site plan.
Mr. Varelmann states, much improved.
Mr. Marrelli asked, you’re putting cultured stone on the chimney?
Richard Beck replied, yes.
Dr. Triner said, you don’t have to go with just a plain wall. You’re mixing stone with Dryvit, so you can Dryvit the whole house if you want to go that route.
Richard Beck said, I don’t think so. The homeowners are here to answer.
Dr. Triner said, I have a question on the plans, pg #2 versus pg #6 wall section details. On pg #2 you’re showing a 6” stud wall with R-21 insulation. On pg #6 you show 2 x 4 studs & R-13 insulation. Pg #6 you’re showing floor trusses and pg #2 you’re showing 2 x 10’s.
Richard Beck clarifies. Pg #6 plans came from California. We’re not using those. I redesigned everything on pg #2, that’s the plan we’re going with. The California plans were designed for earthquake conditions, take out pg #6.
- Brick, Quoins & Dryvit Corner Detail
Chairman Parker said, this is a weird corner detail with the brick and the quoins turning the corner.
Mr. Varelmann points out to Mr. Beck the brick & quoins interfacing detail on the plans.
Richard Beck said, the Dryvit is one color.
Chairman Parker said, on that right elevation, there’s just going to be a line of red brick.
Mr. Varelmann said, it sticks out beyond the Dryvit.
Mr. Marrelli said, your corner detail is not going to work. Every other quoin’s going to have a brick in it?
Richard Beck replied, no. This Dryvit, the quoins will wrap around, that’s all.
Mr. Marrelli asked, what happens when you turn the corner after the Dryvit? The brick doesn’t turn the corner, does it?
Richard Beck replied, no.
Chairman Parker said, couple things here. Your brick should have an air space between the brick and the sheathing so when it gets to the edge, your Dryvit is going to have to cantilever the air space. This seems like a really weird detail. What’s weird about the detail is that you’re switching from Dryvit to brick.
Richard Beck said yes, just for two courses of brick, 4 ½ inches, that’s all. That’s what I show on the drawing.
Mr. Marrelli said, and when the contractor gets to that part, he’ll go; I can’t do that.
Chairman Parker said, I guess they’re just going to apply the quoins afterwards.
Mr. Varelmann said, my guess is the quoin isn’t going to stick out beyond the brick. It’s going to recess behind the brick.
Chairman Parker said, I think it’s actually going to be applied to the face of the brick.
Mr. Varelmann said, that’s interesting. Dryvit may have a masonry joint span detail that may be acceptable.
Suzana Lovric displays brick, shake & stone samples. Color schedule as follows;
- Brick (Red Modular)
- Cultured Stone (Brown Blend)
- Vinyl Shake Siding (Eggshell)
- Dryvit Siding (Manor White)
- Shutters (Brown)
- Asphalt Shingles (Brown Blend)
- Windows (White)
- Gutters, Fascia (White)
- Trim (White)
- Exterior Doors (Brown)
- Garage Door (White)
Mr. Marrelli asked, front steps will be what?
Domin Lovric replied, cast stone.
Chairman Parker asked if calculations were done for the mansard roof ventilation.
Mr. Marrelli said, they might have to put some additional vents on it. You do the attic ventilation under the Energy Code Calculation, correct?
Richard Beck replied, we turned those calculations into you.
Mr. Marrelli said, but you’ll have to provide us with the ventilation rate of the attic.
Richard Beck replied, I’ve never been asked that question. I’ll get an Engineer to do it.
Chairman Parker said, a lot of houses around here are gable roofs. You have this big hip roof that actually becomes a concern. What happens is the higher this goes, the less length you actually have for the ventilation of that ridge, your ridge is short.
Mr. Marrelli said, you just have to make sure you have enough lineal feet of ridge vent.
Chairman Parker asked, are you doing a metal roof on this upper eyebrow dormer?
Richard Beck replied, that’s a trim metal, stainless steel matte finish, silver.
Chairman Parker asked, do you have any accent color, i.e. red or blue? Is the front door an accent? If so, you may want that metal to match that color. This is just a recommendation. Stainless steel’s going to be expensive to do.
Suzana Lovric replied, accent color is brown.
Chairman Parker said, you might want it to be a brown metal roof instead of the stainless steel. You’ll save a lot of money.
Mr. Marrelli said, stainless steel is like your sink, it has a lot of nickel in it. It’s very expensive.
Suzana Lovric asked, it’s on my roof?
Mr. Marrelli replied yes, it’s on your roof. Do you want to give them an option to go with the brown or keep it as stainless steel?
Steve Varelmann replied, which ever one they want. I think either one is acceptable.
Mr. Marrelli said, we’ll go with either the stainless steel as designed or go with a brown baked enamel roof component.
Richard Beck said, that’s fine.
Chairman Parker said, we’re not trying to dictate on some of these details, we just want to help on them. I think overall we have a plan that can be approved and then we get into these little details that I don’t know if we should be getting hung up on them.
Mr. Marrelli states, the way I’m going to approach this is as this house is getting built, these details either are going to happen properly or they’re not. When they don’t, then I’m going to do a time out.
Chairman Parker said, what I don’t want to happen is we see stainless steel roof here then they go out and say let’s put a gable on here. All of a sudden, it’s a different look.
Mr. Marrelli said, they’re not going to do that, that’s not going to happen.
Richard Beck said, what you see will be built.
Mr. Marrelli said, they’ve got to match the picture or things will come to a halt. Any changes will have to come to this Board. I’m not making changes in the field.
Chairman Parker asked, any further questions or comments?
Steve Varelmann replied, I’m o.k. with it. They’ve responded to our discussions over the past two meetings.
Mr. Marrelli asked Mr. Beck, are you going to help them find a builder that could put this house together?
Richard Beck replied, if they ask me, I’ll give them recommendations.
Chairman Parker said, overall at least the placement on the lot was addressed and the palate’s approved.
Dr. Triner, seconded by Mr. Varelmann made a motion to approve the New Single Family Dwelling for Domin & Suzana Lovric at 729 SOM Ctr. Rd as discussed and noted:
- Corner detail to be worked out with Building Commissioner and Contractor.
- Control Joints installed per Manufacturer’s Specifications.
- Provide Manufacturer details on the Eifs.
Ayes: Mr. Parker, Mr. Varelmann, Dr. Triner
Motion Carried. Drawings Approved As Noted.
Mr. Marrelli notes, we still need a Site Plan approval from our Village Engineer.
There being no further business, Mr. Parker, seconded by Mr. Varelmann made a motion to adjourn the meeting.
Motion Carried. Meeting adjourned at 7:20 p.m.